The difference in the way the Doctor is written by RTD and Moffat.

woozapooza:

claudiaboleyn:

Companion: I am so rubbish. 

RTD-written Doctor: No, you’re not! You’re brilliant! Remember that wonderful thing you did! Remember that special skill you have that nobody else has? Don’t put yourself down! Where would I be without you, eh?

vs

Moffat-written Doctor: You are bossy, also a control freak, a narcissist, a game player, needy, and also your skirt is just a little too tight.

Companion: Excuse me???

The notes on this are hilarious. People are bringing up moments Nine and Ten are rude to their companions. Never mind that these mostly are isolated instances that occur because the Doctor is upset and therefore not behaving reasonably. Never mind that Davies’s companions get to stand up for themselves and prove themselves when the Doctor or anyone else puts them down.

The tags on this post recommended I ‘keep trying’, so I thought perhaps I would:

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey, in a situation where the Doctor is not upset: How stupid are you?

Nine to Mickey, multiple times, not an isolated incident: [gets his name wrong on purpose]

Ten to Martha, in a situation where the Doctor is not upset: Rose would know…You’re a novice, never mind.

Ten to Mickey, in a situation where the Doctor is not upset: [forgets about him, leaves him holding down a button for half an hour, giggles about it]

Ten to Jackie, in a situation where the Doctor is not upset: [won’t let her fly the TARDIS with the others]

Ten to Mickey, in a situation where he’s not upset, after Mickey has just been covered in dead rats: And you decided to scream like a little girl?…Nine, maybe ten years old. I’m seeing pigtails, frilly skirt. (I probably don’t need to point out here that insulting a male by comparing him to a little girl is somewhat sexist)

Ten about Jackie, while she’s standing there, in a situation where he’s not upset: She’s not the best I’ve ever had. Bit too blonde. Not too steady on her pins.

Also, why should the companions - Rose, Mickey, Martha, whoever - have to prove themselves? Why is everyone’s worth in the RTD era seemingly dependent on whether or not the Doctor likes you? Why did Mickey have to prove himself multiple times over (destroying a Siltheen, hacking into a missile launcher, helping capture Margaret) before the Doctor stopped calling him an idiot? Why are people cross that I expect better from the Doctor, and the people writing him, than him behaving like a schoolyard bully?

I don’t admit this often, but if not for Mickey and Jackie I wouldn’t have stuck with Doctor Who. I came in in 2005, with Rose, and the show was witty and intelligent and beautiful, but - I wasn’t Rose; I was Mickey, right from the start. Being kidnapped by plastic aliens, I’d have done what he did, absolutely pissed my pants. As the show went on it was intensely frustrating to realise that the characters I related most to were the ones the Doctor didn’t have time for, who were the butt of all the jokes.

Obviously I’m glad I stuck with Doctor Who because I got many great characters and stories out of it. But RTD-era Doctor Who was absolutely my first lesson in ‘screw you, writers, I’m going to take these characters and treat them better’.

Anyway, the point: Nine and Ten were rude to their companions. You really….can’t deny that. Eleven and Twelve (who’s had one episode so far) were not ideal either (though I can’t remember Eleven being quite so obnoxious. Twelve’s overall attitude remains to be seen: if he treats Danny the same way Nine treated Mickey, I’m going to be REALLY pissed off.) But Nine and Ten frequently, frequently get a free pass for all their crappy behaviour, and I don’t want to accept that.


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hawthornhedge:

I wonder whether Amy’s parents ever read Amelia Williams’s books and thought that Amelia would be a lovely name for their daughter.


I really need to talk about Mickey more on this blog. (I might do that tomorrow, actually. Prepare for a Mickey Day.) As a sixteen-year-old Doctor Who fan in 2005, he was my favourite - he wasn’t perfect, no, but literally everyone around him seemed to want to put him down in some way, or was dead, or had abandoned him, and he was still a really nice and heroic person. When most people including me would have given up and just become a sobbing heap of goo after the third or fourth ‘idiot’.


The difference in the way the Doctor is written by RTD and Moffat.

tambokazooie:

thenotoriousscuttlecliff:

sarah531:

claudiaboleyn:

Companion: I am so rubbish. 

RTD-written Doctor: No, you’re not! You’re brilliant! Remember that wonderful thing you did! Remember that special skill you have that nobody else has? Don’t put yourself down! Where would I be without you, eh?

vs

Moffat-written Doctor: You are bossy, also a control freak, a narcissist, a game player, needy, and also your skirt is just a little too tight.

Companion: Excuse me???

RTD-written Doctor to Rose: I picked another stupid ape.

RTD-written Doctor to Martha: Rose would know.

RTD-written Doctor to Donna: You’re not clever, you’re not important.

RTD-written Doctor to Jackie: No, Jackie. No, no. Not you. Don’t touch anything.

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: How stupid are you?

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: [refuses to get his name right]

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: Mickey the idiot.

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey, after Mickey has proved himself just as capable as any other companion: Mickey the idiot.

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: [forgets about him and leaves him holding a button for half an hour]

vs

Moffat-written Doctor [didn’t call Clara a control freak til after she had called herself one, didn’t call her a narcissist at all - Strax did - and was talking to himself with her nowhere in earshot when he mentioned the skirt]


I still know who’d I’d rather travel with. Eleven and Twelve (so far) have been insensitive pricks, but Nine and Ten have been downright bullies.

Newsflash. some Doctors are rude to their companions. This has been true since the very beginning when the Doctor couldn’t be bothered to remember Ian’s name.

And stop cherry picking quotes to make Nine and Ten look like saints. 

Or cherry picking quotes to make Nine and Ten to look exclusively like a sinner or a bully (when right or wrong, almost all of it is aimed at Mickey and not his companions as a whole) for that matter.

In “Father’s Day”, Nine is justified in his anger towards Rose. She almost destroyed the world and had no idea what she was doing when she saved her father’s life.

Donna wasn’t even a proper companion in “The Runaway Bride”, so using that to attack RTD just SOUNDS like agenda driving. In context, this was a strange person who just suddenly broke through the TARDIS’ defences and was filled with an ancient and deadly energy source the Time Lords had mostly got rid of. I guess “Yes you are, you’re brilliant.” was from Eleven’s era or Eight’s era or something.

Also, the bit with Jackie not pressing buttons in “Journey’s End” to call him a bully? That really sounds like reaching out, especially when he trusts four or five of his other friends to pilot the TARDIS. I am so done with this.

Donna wasn’t even a proper companion in “The Runaway Bride”

So it was alright for him to speak to a stranger like that?!

Also, the bit with Jackie not pressing buttons in “Journey’s End” to call him a bully? That really sounds like reaching out, especially when he trusts four or five of his other friends to pilot the TARDIS.

So why not her? Why is she constantly the butt of all the jokes? (Not just in Journey’s End, either, her age and her love life are frequently poked fun at.) She’s already proven herself perfectly capable. Why shouldn’t she fly the TARDIS with all the other companions?

Or cherry picking quotes to make Nine and Ten to look exclusively like a sinner or a bully (when right or wrong, almost all of it is aimed at Mickey and not his companions as a whole) for that matter.

Almost all the insults (and we’re talking proper, completely undeserved insults like ‘idiot’ and ‘stupid’) are aimed at Mickey - the only recurring non-white person on the whole show during S1 and 2 - and that’s not a huge problem?! Sorry, you’ve lost me.


The difference in the way the Doctor is written by RTD and Moffat.

claudiaboleyn:

Companion: I am so rubbish. 

RTD-written Doctor: No, you’re not! You’re brilliant! Remember that wonderful thing you did! Remember that special skill you have that nobody else has? Don’t put yourself down! Where would I be without you, eh?

vs

Moffat-written Doctor: You are bossy, also a control freak, a narcissist, a game player, needy, and also your skirt is just a little too tight.

Companion: Excuse me???

RTD-written Doctor to Rose: I picked another stupid ape.

RTD-written Doctor to Martha: Rose would know.

RTD-written Doctor to Donna: You’re not clever, you’re not important.

RTD-written Doctor to Jackie: No, Jackie. No, no. Not you. Don’t touch anything.

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: How stupid are you?

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: [refuses to get his name right]

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: Mickey the idiot.

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey, after Mickey has proved himself just as capable as any other companion: Mickey the idiot.

RTD-written Doctor to Mickey: [forgets about him and leaves him holding a button for half an hour]

vs

Moffat-written Doctor [didn’t call Clara a control freak til after she had called herself one, didn’t call her a narcissist at all - Strax did - and was talking to himself with her nowhere in earshot when he mentioned the skirt]


I still know who’d I’d rather travel with. Eleven and Twelve (so far) have been insensitive pricks, but Nine and Ten have been downright bullies.


upperleadworth:

lucrezianoin:

linnealurks:

doctorwho247:

10 years ago today, filming began on a brand new series of Doctor Who, starring Christopher Eccleston as the Ninth Doctor and Billie Piper as Rose Tyler!

can I passively aggressively point out the way the shot is set up to make both of them equal including cancelling out the height difference and you really couldn’t tell who was meant to be the main character by looking at this photo? (Because of course they’re both the main character and of equal importance rose tyler Ninth doctor (via pygmy-of-triviality)

Thank god now we have this!
[pictures snipped for length: they were this one, this one, this one, and this one]


Yep! You’re right! And we also have this:
[pictures snipped for length: they were this one, this one, this one, this one and this one]
^^^ Ten is literally shielding Donna. If this was Eleven and Amy, we would be seeing posts about how this shows how “the man is in charge and the woman cowers in fear”. But since it is Ten and Donna, nobody had mentioned it at all.
All of these promotional pictures cannot be used in a “this is sexist” argument. Both the RTD era and the Moffat era pictures have the exact same type of staging.
So if you are calling the Moffat era images sexist, then you are calling this picture of Ten and Donna sexist (which is ridiculous).

We also now have this (where Clara is centered, and her gaze meets the viewer more directly):

And this (where Clara again meets the viewer’s gaze confidently while the Doctor, in a fearful pose, does not):

And this (where the height difference - which is considerable!) is canceled out)

Like this one!

Okay, back to the RTD era. Guess what the promo image used on the Series Four DVD boxset (and loads of the other merchandise) was? Surely it wasn’t the one of Donna cowering behind the Doctor, looking afraid- the one where hardly any of this fabulous, loud character can even be seen?

Damn!
Well, at least there aren’t any promos of Rose where she’s stuck behind Nine as he protects her, right?

Damn again! (A similar version of the top right one appeared on the Series One box set, except that the Doctor was looking at the viewer, and Rose was not.)
Hey, I wonder what picture of Martha they used for the Series Three boxs-

Oh. (She is on the back, but only with the Doctor, and yes, people were rightly furious when that art was released.)
What about Amy? There isn’t a single promo picture where she looks like the Doctor’s equal!

Well, no, obviously. That was when Steven Moffat came in, and we all know that despite Doctor Who being an operation run by literally hundreds of people, he personally sat in on all the photo shoots and got them to nudge the female characters a little bit behind the Doctor.

Including the ones done by other magazines.
Okay, what have we got…? That’s six pictures from the Moffat era featuring a female character positioned as equal to or greater than her male counterpart, and five from the RTD era where she is not, plus one RTD one where she’s erased altogether.
The way female characters are positioned in images like this isn’t irrelevant - these are the images that end up on the merchandise, on lunchboxes and t-shirts, it’s important to have heroic female characters on these things. (And no, it isn’t the showrunner’s decision about what pictures end up on the cover of the Radio Times, for example.) That original picture of Rose and the Doctor in the TARDIS is nice, but I haven’t seen it on any of the merchandise, the children’s books, DVDs etc - the one I have seen is the one where the Doctor is standing in front of her protecting her. (That Nine and Rose photoshoot with Rose in the pink hoodie produced some other, lovely pictures, including one where the Doctor is staring at Rose while she looks at the viewer, but I never saw that one on any of the books or lunchboxes either.)
Some perspective/understanding of how images like this are actually taken and used would be nice, s’all I’m saying. And I still want to know who it was made the decision to leave Martha off the Series Three boxset.

upperleadworth:

lucrezianoin:

linnealurks:

doctorwho247:

10 years ago today, filming began on a brand new series of Doctor Who, starring Christopher Eccleston as the Ninth Doctor and Billie Piper as Rose Tyler!

can I passively aggressively point out the way the shot is set up to make both of them equal including cancelling out the height difference and you really couldn’t tell who was meant to be the main character by looking at this photo? (Because of course they’re both the main character and of equal importance rose tyler Ninth doctor (via pygmy-of-triviality)

Thank god now we have this!

[pictures snipped for length: they were this one, this one, this one, and this one]

Yep! You’re right! And we also have this:

[pictures snipped for length: they were this one, this one, this one, this one and this one]

^^^ Ten is literally shielding Donna. If this was Eleven and Amy, we would be seeing posts about how this shows how “the man is in charge and the woman cowers in fear”. But since it is Ten and Donna, nobody had mentioned it at all.

All of these promotional pictures cannot be used in a “this is sexist” argument. Both the RTD era and the Moffat era pictures have the exact same type of staging.

So if you are calling the Moffat era images sexist, then you are calling this picture of Ten and Donna sexist (which is ridiculous).

We also now have this (where Clara is centered, and her gaze meets the viewer more directly):

And this (where Clara again meets the viewer’s gaze confidently while the Doctor, in a fearful pose, does not):

And this (where the height difference - which is considerable!) is canceled out)

image

Like this one!

image

Okay, back to the RTD era. Guess what the promo image used on the Series Four DVD boxset (and loads of the other merchandise) was? Surely it wasn’t the one of Donna cowering behind the Doctor, looking afraid- the one where hardly any of this fabulous, loud character can even be seen?

Damn!

Well, at least there aren’t any promos of Rose where she’s stuck behind Nine as he protects her, right?

image

Damn again! (A similar version of the top right one appeared on the Series One box set, except that the Doctor was looking at the viewer, and Rose was not.)

Hey, I wonder what picture of Martha they used for the Series Three boxs-

Oh. (She is on the back, but only with the Doctor, and yes, people were rightly furious when that art was released.)

What about Amy? There isn’t a single promo picture where she looks like the Doctor’s equal!

image

Well, no, obviously. That was when Steven Moffat came in, and we all know that despite Doctor Who being an operation run by literally hundreds of people, he personally sat in on all the photo shoots and got them to nudge the female characters a little bit behind the Doctor.

image

Including the ones done by other magazines.

Okay, what have we got…? That’s six pictures from the Moffat era featuring a female character positioned as equal to or greater than her male counterpart, and five from the RTD era where she is not, plus one RTD one where she’s erased altogether.

The way female characters are positioned in images like this isn’t irrelevant - these are the images that end up on the merchandise, on lunchboxes and t-shirts, it’s important to have heroic female characters on these things. (And no, it isn’t the showrunner’s decision about what pictures end up on the cover of the Radio Times, for example.) That original picture of Rose and the Doctor in the TARDIS is nice, but I haven’t seen it on any of the merchandise, the children’s books, DVDs etc - the one I have seen is the one where the Doctor is standing in front of her protecting her. (That Nine and Rose photoshoot with Rose in the pink hoodie produced some other, lovely pictures, including one where the Doctor is staring at Rose while she looks at the viewer, but I never saw that one on any of the books or lunchboxes either.)

Some perspective/understanding of how images like this are actually taken and used would be nice, s’all I’m saying. And I still want to know who it was made the decision to leave Martha off the Series Three boxset.


sillytilly09:

Clara Oswald and Danny Pink